El hueso del día.

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SebasEscobar

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JULIALGO2020

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Hermoso pero con el motor 3.2V6 y la gasolina colombiana hueso!!!

http://articulo.tucarro.com.co/MCO-414773013-audi-a5-32-fsi-multitronic-tp-3200cc-2p-_JM


Aquí lo llamaran lobo pero me parece a mi que está tuneado acorde a la cultura tuner Américana de los Civic y JDM.

Lo que me da risa y no se lo cree nadie es que con motor forjado, turbo y N2O no lo an utilizado para correr jajajajajajajajajajaja


http://articulo.tucarro.com.co/MCO-414577527-honda-civic-_JM
Ese Civic por fuera esta lindo, pero tiene razón, eso de que no lo han corrido es mas falso, o como para que carajos se le hizo todo eso?, que tuviera un turbo de esos "civilizados", esos que suben un 50-70% de potencia se le puede creer, pero con 350HP?

Por cierto, quiero un carro con turbo, así sea sencillito, jejeje
 

Namarillo

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SebasEscobar

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Uffffffffffff..... hueso puede ser.... pero es un caprichotototote. Solo ponerle los rines del S5 o unos menos ñoños a los que tiene y ese 3.2 aspirado emociona a cualquiera. (No me queda claro si es Quattro).

Edit.: No es turbo, no se si tenga problema con la Extra.

Si no estoy mal todos los 3.2 son Quattro.

El problema y por lo cual lo considero hueso es por el alto índice de depósitos de Carbono y los costosos mantenimientos que esto conlleva en los motores 3.2V6 y 3.6V6 de Audi.
 

Carlos Bautista

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Feb 23, 2010
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Por ahí leí eso de los depósitos de carbono, ahora, ese V6 con sus 260 y pico de caballos y el toque que debe tener es cosa muy seria... Seguro anda muchísimo más que el 2.0 TFSI...

El A5 es de mis carros favoritos, sin embargo, por alguna razón nunca me ha gustado el coupé, en cambio el sportback si babas..., y yo me enhuesaría feliz de la vida (excepto cuando me toque tanquear).
 

SebasEscobar

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Mar 2, 2011
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Por ahí leí eso de los depósitos de carbono, ahora, ese V6 con sus 260 y pico de caballos y el toque que debe tener es cosa muy seria... Seguro anda muchísimo más que el 2.0 TFSI...

El A5 es de mis carros favoritos, sin embargo, por alguna razón nunca me ha gustado el coupé, en cambio el sportback si babas..., y yo me enhuesaría feliz de la vida (excepto cuando me toque tanquear).
Y los $3-4 millones que debe sacar cada 30,000km para limpiar los depósitos de carbono si quiere conservar los 260hp.
 

SebasEscobar

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Mar 2, 2011
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Encontré buena información sobre los depósitos de carbono y los motores Audi FSI y TFSI


http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/336352-Audi-FSI-Engine-Carbon-Build-up-Megathread


Según VW:

Before I post my info, this is how VW/Audi feels about it:

VW patent acknowledging the intake valve deposit issue

Directly from the technical staff of VAG is complete acknowledgment of the FSI intake valve deposit issue, and it's impacts, including: decreased performance, misfires, catalytic converter damage ... etc.


"Gasoline engines with direct injection of the fuel into the combustion chamber, i.e., not into the intake port, suffer especially from the problem of the formation of carbon deposits on components. Carbon deposits form especially in the neck region of intake valves. A more exact analysis of how these carbon deposits form leads to the following result: Oil and fuel constituents first form a sticky coating on the components. These constituents are chiefly long-chain and branched-chain hydrocarbons, i.e., the low-volatility components of oil and fuel. Aromatic compounds adhere especially well. This sticky base coating serves as a base for the deposition of soot particles. This results in a porous surface, in which oil and fuel particles in turn become embedded. This process is a circular process, by which the coating thickness of the carbon deposits continuously increases. Especially in the area of the intake valves, the deposits originate from blowby gases and from internal and external exhaust gas recirculation, and in this process, the blowby gasses and the recirculated exhaust gas come into direct contact with the intake valve."

"Especially in the area of the neck of the intake valves, excessive carbon deposits have extremely negative effects for the following reasons: In the case of Otto direct injectors, the successful ignition of the stratified charge depends to a great extent on the correct development of the internal cylinder flow, which ensures reliable transport of the injected fuel to the spark plug to guarantee reliable ignition at the spark plug. However, a coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve may interfere so strongly with the tumble flow that ignition failures may occur there as a result. Under certain circumstances, however, ignition failures can lead to irreversible damage of a catalytic converter installed in the exhaust gas tract for purifying the exhaust gas. Furthermore, the coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve causes flow resistance, which can lead to significant performance losses due to insufficient cylinder filling, especially in the upper load and speed range of the internal combustion engine. In addition, the carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve may prevent correct valve closing, which leads to compression losses and thus sporadic ignition failures. This in turn could irreversibly damage the catalytic converter. There is the potential for small particles to break away from the coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve and get into the catalytic converter. These hot particles may then cause secondary reaction and corresponding local damage of the catalytic converter. For example, a hole may be burned in the structure of the catalytic converter."

"Globular deposits are found especially on the valve stem downstream from a partition plate in the intake port. Due to the dripping of high-boiling hydrocarbons from the partition plate towards the valve neck or valve stem, globular carbon deposits eventually form there by the sequence of events explained above. These deposits on the valve stem can result in flow deficits due to undesired swirling and turbulent flow around the globular carbon deposits. This may persistently interfere with the formation of stable tumble flow from cycle to cycle."

"A possible solution would be to keep these sources of deposits away, for example, from the intake valve, by completely eliminating exhaust gas recirculation and the introduction of blowby gases into the intake port. However with the combustion behavior of modern reciprocating internal combustion engines, at least external exhaust gas recirculation and the introduction of blowby gases into the intake port are absolutely necessary for reasons of emission control and fuel consumption, so that this approach is not possible. "
 
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Namarillo

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Encontré buena información sobre los depósitos de carbono y los motores Audi FSI y TFSI


http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/336352-Audi-FSI-Engine-Carbon-Build-up-Megathread


Según VW:

Before I post my info, this is how VW/Audi feels about it:

VW patent acknowledging the intake valve deposit issue

Directly from the technical staff of VAG is complete acknowledgment of the FSI intake valve deposit issue, and it's impacts, including: decreased performance, misfires, catalytic converter damage ... etc.


"Gasoline engines with direct injection of the fuel into the combustion chamber, i.e., not into the intake port, suffer especially from the problem of the formation of carbon deposits on components. Carbon deposits form especially in the neck region of intake valves. A more exact analysis of how these carbon deposits form leads to the following result: Oil and fuel constituents first form a sticky coating on the components. These constituents are chiefly long-chain and branched-chain hydrocarbons, i.e., the low-volatility components of oil and fuel. Aromatic compounds adhere especially well. This sticky base coating serves as a base for the deposition of soot particles. This results in a porous surface, in which oil and fuel particles in turn become embedded. This process is a circular process, by which the coating thickness of the carbon deposits continuously increases. Especially in the area of the intake valves, the deposits originate from blowby gases and from internal and external exhaust gas recirculation, and in this process, the blowby gasses and the recirculated exhaust gas come into direct contact with the intake valve."

"Especially in the area of the neck of the intake valves, excessive carbon deposits have extremely negative effects for the following reasons: In the case of Otto direct injectors, the successful ignition of the stratified charge depends to a great extent on the correct development of the internal cylinder flow, which ensures reliable transport of the injected fuel to the spark plug to guarantee reliable ignition at the spark plug. However, a coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve may interfere so strongly with the tumble flow that ignition failures may occur there as a result. Under certain circumstances, however, ignition failures can lead to irreversible damage of a catalytic converter installed in the exhaust gas tract for purifying the exhaust gas. Furthermore, the coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve causes flow resistance, which can lead to significant performance losses due to insufficient cylinder filling, especially in the upper load and speed range of the internal combustion engine. In addition, the carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve may prevent correct valve closing, which leads to compression losses and thus sporadic ignition failures. This in turn could irreversibly damage the catalytic converter. There is the potential for small particles to break away from the coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve and get into the catalytic converter. These hot particles may then cause secondary reaction and corresponding local damage of the catalytic converter. For example, a hole may be burned in the structure of the catalytic converter."

"Globular deposits are found especially on the valve stem downstream from a partition plate in the intake port. Due to the dripping of high-boiling hydrocarbons from the partition plate towards the valve neck or valve stem, globular carbon deposits eventually form there by the sequence of events explained above. These deposits on the valve stem can result in flow deficits due to undesired swirling and turbulent flow around the globular carbon deposits. This may persistently interfere with the formation of stable tumble flow from cycle to cycle."

"A possible solution would be to keep these sources of deposits away, for example, from the intake valve, by completely eliminating exhaust gas recirculation and the introduction of blowby gases into the intake port. However with the combustion behavior of modern reciprocating internal combustion engines, at least external exhaust gas recirculation and the introduction of blowby gases into the intake port are absolutely necessary for reasons of emission control and fuel consumption, so that this approach is not possible. "


Si, también leí al respecto en otras partes.... un problema bien bien serio. Un problemón que VAG no se haya hecho responsable por ese defecto o al menos responsabilizarse de todos los mantenimientos que un motor de estos incurra en su vida útil (aunque pensaría que sale mas barato cambiar todos los motores). :S
 
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AlejandroA.G.

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Mar 26, 2014
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Encontré buena información sobre los depósitos de carbono y los motores Audi FSI y TFSI


http://www.audizine.com/forum/showthread.php/336352-Audi-FSI-Engine-Carbon-Build-up-Megathread


Según VW:

Before I post my info, this is how VW/Audi feels about it:

VW patent acknowledging the intake valve deposit issue

Directly from the technical staff of VAG is complete acknowledgment of the FSI intake valve deposit issue, and it's impacts, including: decreased performance, misfires, catalytic converter damage ... etc.


"Gasoline engines with direct injection of the fuel into the combustion chamber, i.e., not into the intake port, suffer especially from the problem of the formation of carbon deposits on components. Carbon deposits form especially in the neck region of intake valves. A more exact analysis of how these carbon deposits form leads to the following result: Oil and fuel constituents first form a sticky coating on the components. These constituents are chiefly long-chain and branched-chain hydrocarbons, i.e., the low-volatility components of oil and fuel. Aromatic compounds adhere especially well. This sticky base coating serves as a base for the deposition of soot particles. This results in a porous surface, in which oil and fuel particles in turn become embedded. This process is a circular process, by which the coating thickness of the carbon deposits continuously increases. Especially in the area of the intake valves, the deposits originate from blowby gases and from internal and external exhaust gas recirculation, and in this process, the blowby gasses and the recirculated exhaust gas come into direct contact with the intake valve."

"Especially in the area of the neck of the intake valves, excessive carbon deposits have extremely negative effects for the following reasons: In the case of Otto direct injectors, the successful ignition of the stratified charge depends to a great extent on the correct development of the internal cylinder flow, which ensures reliable transport of the injected fuel to the spark plug to guarantee reliable ignition at the spark plug. However, a coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve may interfere so strongly with the tumble flow that ignition failures may occur there as a result. Under certain circumstances, however, ignition failures can lead to irreversible damage of a catalytic converter installed in the exhaust gas tract for purifying the exhaust gas. Furthermore, the coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve causes flow resistance, which can lead to significant performance losses due to insufficient cylinder filling, especially in the upper load and speed range of the internal combustion engine. In addition, the carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve may prevent correct valve closing, which leads to compression losses and thus sporadic ignition failures. This in turn could irreversibly damage the catalytic converter. There is the potential for small particles to break away from the coating of carbon deposits in the neck region of the intake valve and get into the catalytic converter. These hot particles may then cause secondary reaction and corresponding local damage of the catalytic converter. For example, a hole may be burned in the structure of the catalytic converter."

"Globular deposits are found especially on the valve stem downstream from a partition plate in the intake port. Due to the dripping of high-boiling hydrocarbons from the partition plate towards the valve neck or valve stem, globular carbon deposits eventually form there by the sequence of events explained above. These deposits on the valve stem can result in flow deficits due to undesired swirling and turbulent flow around the globular carbon deposits. This may persistently interfere with the formation of stable tumble flow from cycle to cycle."

"A possible solution would be to keep these sources of deposits away, for example, from the intake valve, by completely eliminating exhaust gas recirculation and the introduction of blowby gases into the intake port. However with the combustion behavior of modern reciprocating internal combustion engines, at least external exhaust gas recirculation and the introduction of blowby gases into the intake port are absolutely necessary for reasons of emission control and fuel consumption, so that this approach is not possible. "

Esto es mal de cualquier motor TFSI de Audi o solo los V6 ??? :eek::eek::eek:
 

SebasEscobar

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Mar 2, 2011
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Esto es mal de cualquier motor TFSI de Audi o solo los V6 ??? :eek::eek::eek:
Pues según lo que leo es un mal de casi todos los motores de Inyección Directa. En Audi se ve presente en casi todos los motores TFSI y FSI; pero en unos es más grave que en otros. El motor Audi que más sufre de depósitos de carbono es el 4.2 V8 FSI de los RS4 que con menos de 16,000km ya tienden a sufrir una pérdida considerable de potencia.


Ya se conocen casos de motores Ecoboost 3.6 TTV6, los Chevrolet 3.6 V6 que sufren de depósitos de carbono. Parece ser que la mejor solución es implementar un sistema como el de Toyota que tiene inyección directa e inyección indirecta en un mismo motor o implementar algún tipo de inyección de Agua/methanol.
 
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leonardosanchez

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daniel1993

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Aplica también para precios ridículos. Eso vale uno de estos en perfecto estado y original, la instalación de Turbo le quita mucho su valor. Sí mucho daría 20 y eso...

Además NO ES UN M5! Es un M535i E28 (La diferencia es bastante).